On Gay Marriage, Richfield Catholic Parishes of One Mind
Richfield Patch continues its series on the anti-gay marriage amendment and how it is being addressed at local churches.
Prior to the November 2012 general election, when Minnesotans will have the opportunity to vote on a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman, three Catholic churches in Richfield recently affirmed that they will be following the lead of the Archdiocese of Minneapolis and St. Paul, urging members and others to vote yes on the anti-gay marriage amendment.
While spokespeople for both St. Richard’s Catholic Church and Assumption Catholic Church referred inquiries about the issue directly to the office of the Archdiocese, Ann Garland, a business administrator at St. Peter's Catholic Church, said her church’s position was clear.
“Our position is that marriage is between a man and a woman and that the teachings of the Catholic Church restrict marriage to between a man and a woman,” Garland said. “So we would be voting yes for the amendment.”
The Archdiocese’s office referred questions about the amendment to the Minnesota Catholic Conference (MCC), which is the public policy voice of the Catholic Bishops of Minnesota. Representing all six Minnesota dioceses, MCC is involved in outreach and education efforts on a variety of issues important to the Catholic church in the state, including attempts to pass the proposed amendment.
The state’s bishops have asked pastors in every Minnesota parish to work with MCC to form parish committees, which are meant to “educate Catholics about what marriage is, why it is important, and what the consequences are if it is redefined,” according to a statement from MCC.
The same statement said that parish committees would focus on prayer, educational activities and events, as well as opportunities to put “faith in action” through the political process.
In addition to more general education efforts regarding the church’s teachings, Garland confirmed that St. Peter’s would be involved with political campaigns aimed at passing the amendment in the run-up to the 2012 general election.
Although she didn’t know the precise date, Garland said that sometime in early June she expected members of St. Peter’s to be involved in rallies at the Federal Building in Minneapolis regarding the marriage amendment and healthcare reform.
Rather than taking direct political action, over the summer St. Peter’s will likely concentrate on furnishing logistical support—such as providing bus service for church members interested in attending rallies around the Twin Cities—rather than directly planning political action. Garland said the Archdiocese already has committees responsible for orchestrating both education and outreach efforts.
“The Archbishop is definitely the teacher of his flock,” Garland said.
MCC’s position regarding the marriage amendment follows a statement released by the Catholic Bishops of Minnesota on Sept. 22, 2010, urging those in government, Catholics and “all people of good will” in Minnesota to “support marriage, both in theory and in practical measures that safeguard, promote, and enhance marriage and family.” The statement concluded that a practical measure would be a constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.
Dissent in the Church
Despite the church’s unequivocal position, the Archdiocese of Minneapolis and St. Paul has stirred controversy with some Catholics over its support of the marriage amendment. Again, while spokespeople for St. Richard's and Assumption Church referred questions about disagreement over the marriage amendment to the archdiocese, Garland acknowledged that not all members of St. Peter’s agreed about the church’s position. Still, she said it didn’t make any difference.
“St. Peter affirms that the Catholic Church is abundantly clear that we’re not a democracy,” Garland said. “The church has authority.”
MCC acknowledged that, while some Catholics may have second thoughts about the marriage amendment, and were welcome to call or write their pastors or the bishop to express their opinions and share their concerns, “the church does not have the authority to change the nature of marriage.”
Those interested in knowing more about the Catholic Church's position on the proposed marriage amendment may visit the Minnesota Catholic Conference's website.
Juniper
7:41 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
The Church is not a democracy sums it all up. I hope they are not coercing people to vote YES on this thing. It should be left up to individual people. Many of my Catholic friends oppose this amendment.
Caitlin Burgess
9:14 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
What reasons do your Catholic friends give for opposing it?
Nicole Paul
7:56 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
It is my understanding that many catholic churches are coercing people. I also have many friends and family who oppose this amendment. Once again, the catholic church is mixing politics, money and religion. So sad!
Joe Sundberg
8:07 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
no matter how you feel about this .... the church should NOT be telling people how to vote - one way or the other. if they want to cross the line of "separation-of-church-and-state", then their tax-exempt status should be rescinded --- and they can pay taxes like everyone else.
Caitlin Burgess
9:13 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Do any of you identify as Catholic? Just curious.
Joe Hoover
10:51 am on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
I went to Assumption school and attended the parish as a child back. Back then the Catholic Church was more concerned about helping the poor and social justice instead of their issues today which are protecting the power and privileges of Church leadership and their religious market share. Sadly, church leadership like Archbishop John Nienstedtin is both out of touch spiritual and culturally with today society and most of their American & European congregations on many issues. (Think birth control and woman's rights). I know many friends that are Catholic use birth control AND support gay marriage. Their feelings on the matter is that the Catholic Church took 359 years to admit they had erred in condemning Galileo for asserting that the Earth revolves around the Sun so it is going to take some time for the Church to come around on the issue of gay marriage. They hope to work on it from the inside to enact change. I strongly suspect that while Richfield Catholic Parish leadership is of "One Mind" on the issue of the amendment to ban marriage for same-sex couples, I suspect many Richfield parishioners are of a different mind.
Big_Phish
1:15 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
The bible is not a book of suggestions!!! If you do not like the rules... you just can't make up your own rule and be right with God. When I sin, I know what I am doing is wrong. Gay marriage is a sin in the Bible. So, a Christian Based church is sinning when they marry a gay couple with in the walls of that church. A priest, pastor or reverend (Christian) are sinning when they marry a Gay couple outside the churches walls and should be removed from spirital leadership for committing that sin. Now, the only way to legallize Gay-Marriage is to have people vote and not wet yourself when the majority of people do not pass it.
Remember... being Gay is not a culture, race or creed, it is a decision... a choice. I can't just say I am black, hispanic or whatever and get more rights. Churches can say what they want, when they want.... Are Muslim Church under the same Microscope.
David Haines
1:48 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Big_Phish:
A couple things, you can't say with certainty that being gay is a decision that someone makes. There is just no proof there and there is a lot of evidence to the contrary and I have heard it described as a blend between nature and nurture so I want to be sure everyone knows what is your opinion and what is fact.
Secondly, nobody is asking for "more rights" than you have. They are asking for the exact same rights. Big difference there.
Third, "churches can say what they want, when they want." I couldn't agree more. Your church isn't the only one though and it should be up to each church to decide what is best for their congregations; not have your church write the law that everyone else (different churches and non-believers) must follow.
Big_Phish
2:08 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
In any church, the members of the congregation help guide the church, but again the body of the church has the final say. People can decide to stay or go when their church sins.
The Point about the Gay Marriage not being an extra "right" is correct in this case. I apologize. I am blending topics.
There is no proof of predetermined Homosexuality either.
Kathy Luebbe
7:26 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
I grew up with 16 years of Catholic education and still came to the conclusion that my orientation should be respected as equal to my straight brothers and sisters. Because the Catholic church chooses to disregard this and treat me as well as any second class citizen, I left it and am now Lutheran. I think Jesus would have left too.
This position is offensive to me, to my right to marry the person I love and to be considered as "good" as straight people. Seems to be the same issue the church had with people marrying outside of their skin color in another age, and outside of the Catholic faith before that.
Caitlin Burgess
7:38 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
Hi Kathy. Thanks for sharing. Is the Lutheran parish you attend openly accepting of LGBT church members?
David Haines
7:55 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
The Methodist Church I attend is part of the Reconciling Ministries Network which is working for the full participation of all people in the United Methodist Church regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity.
For more info about Reconciling Ministries Network check it out on the web at http://www.rmnetwork.org
Also, if you support same-sex marriage (or just oppose the harmful MN marriage amendment) please 'like' United Methodists for Marriage Equality on Facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/UnitedMethodistsforMarriageEquality
Oh yea, and don't forget to vote NO!
Kevin O'Donovan
11:44 pm on Wednesday, May 9, 2012
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states "Bishops,with priests as co-workers, have as their first task "to preach the Gospel of God to all men," in keeping with the Lord's command. They are "heralds of faith, who draw new disciples to Christ; they are authentic teachers" of the Apostolic Faith "endowed with the authority of Christ." #889. "To fulfill this service,Christ endowed the Church's shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals." (from #890) Atop all Catholic Churches is a cross. It is not a weather vane. The teaching of the Catholic Church regarding homosexual marriage is consistent with Natural Law. By what authority, other than their own self deceit, can any denomination alter Judeo-Christian Moral Law, and still imagine themselves being faithful to God? Sex outside of marriage is sinful. Tradition, history, and experience are consistent in supporting the teaching of the Church. When we fail to live up to it, it does not change the truth. It demonstrates our weakness, not that of the Church's teaching. The Defense of Marriage is not an attack on homosexuals. It is a defense of the good and proven. If anyone should be offended by verbal assaults, bigotry, lies, slanders, and unfair attacks it certainly isn't the supporters of homosexual marriage. It is the supporters of traditional marriage that are under attack, and the institution of marriage itself.
Joe Hoover
10:42 am on Thursday, May 10, 2012
"Natural Law" arguments are inherently used by those that have weak or no argument to support their hypothesis. It the past it has been use for such arguments as: It is against "Natural Law" -- for white and blacks to intermarry -- for women to wear the pants in the family -- for the poor to step out of their social caste, etc....
All that aside, if the Catholic Church wishes not to marry same sex couples so be it - their loss. What is being talked about is the legal status of marriage. However, if the church wants to argue marriages sacredness as an institution and because of that it needs to be regulated by the government (currently anti-gay marriage laws restrict religions that wish to marry samesex couples from doing so - violating their religious freedom), then that opens up the Catholic Church and other religions as well to having the rest of their sacraments and rituals regulated by the government as well. Imagine laws that regulate Holy Orders telling the Catholic Church who they can and cannot ordain. That is a real unfortunate issue with some other governments.
Caitlin Burgess
7:17 pm on Thursday, May 10, 2012
This whole topic got a little heavier yesterday when North Carolina banned gay marriage in addition to domestic partnerships and civil unions - which includes straight couples.
Jennifer Anderson
12:06 pm on Monday, May 14, 2012
Our church in Elk River just became Open and Affirming - the vote was 132 vs 9. There are many individuals who left the Catholic church who are now current members of our church. If you are interested in a story about the decision that we made, feel free to contact the pastor Rev. Dana Mann 763-441-1203
David Haines
8:01 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Can somebody who uses their Christian religion to justify denying same-sex couples their right to marry answer this please. Where does Jesus speak about same-sex marriage? I'll be waiting......
Big_Phish
1:31 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
I would point out Romans 7 :1-6, but you will say those words are not in red. Then I would point out that you would make the next argument... If God can do anything, can he make a rock so big even he can't lift it. Also, can you show me where Jesus is ok with same sex anything?
David Haines
1:53 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Correct, Romans was written by Paul.
The rock argument is a good argument don't you think? It really is tough to answer and makes people think.
As to your last point I would say that just because somebody affirms one thing (marriage between man and woman) does not explicitly mean that they condemn another thing (same-sex marriage).
Still waiting for an answer to my question.
Big_Phish
2:22 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
The rock argument is a ignorant argument. Aimed at misleading fools.
I have never read anything around "Jesus Speak (Red Letters)" on Homosexuality. But, was the New Testament meant to replace the Old Testament?
I do believe churches are spending to much money and time on this issue. Let the people decide and leave it alone.
Kevin O'Donovan
11:06 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Matthew 19: 4-6. You also might want to read Genesis. You can also accept the authority of the Catholic Church. It is the One True Church, instituted by Christ who gave all authority to St. Peter and his successors, after His resurrection and prior to His ascension into heaven. Please bear in mind that The Ten Commandments given to Moses still apply, even though some people choose to disregard them. One thing that proponents of homosexual marriage have in their favor is that they control the imagery. If proponents of Traditional Marriage and Families were to use the abundant negative images of homosexuality, they would be arrested for pornography. Let's hear how much homosexual behavior has driven up the cost of health care, along with heterosexual extra-marital sex. Let's hear about the coercive tactics used against the American Psychiatric Association in order to force them to change their dianosis that homosexuality is a disorder.
David Haines
11:23 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Try again Kevin.
Matthew 19: 4-6 says nothing about same sex marriage. To say it does would be the same as saying because I like a Ford I must not like Chevy. Advocating one thing does not made you a opponent of another thing.
I do not accept the authority of the Catholic Church and nor should I have to.
David Haines
11:39 am on Sunday, May 13, 2012
To most believers in Jesus, the Sermon on the Mount contains the central tenets of Christian discipleship. One would have thought that if homosexuality is as sinful as you propose it to be, it would have at least been mentioned at this time.
Perhaps Jesus doesn't talk about homosexuality because it is a non issue to him? He does speak of divorce and adultery but you do not see the GOP trying to pass constitutional amendments to ban those. This whole thing is political and the more I explore the teachings and words of Jesus with clergy people I am beginning to think people are interpreting the bible in a way to justify their disdain for same-sex couples.
Big_Phish
1:44 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012
Try reading the bible... unbiased just read it. It is pretty straight forward. The central Idea of Christ is Love... Not to judge but to stand for what you believe in and for the teachings in the bible. I think people read only the New Testament and forget the original teachings. Christ is our sin offering to God and Christ's teaching are pure. Same sex relationships are condemned throughout the bible
Kevin Parks
12:30 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Good point David on the adultery and divorce. If they were uncostitutional, we would have to run over half of our government through a Federal Pen.
As for the religious aspect, I mentioned that in my latest Patch Blog. We (as a society) seem to pick and choose which parts of the bible we should follow in todays world. Why do we hold onto this so vehemently? Pretty sure God knew what he/she/it was doing when they created us in his image. Just saying.
David Haines
12:43 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Kevin Parks, I read your latest blog post and I agree with your points and I liked the bit of humor you threw in since this is such a contentious topic.
Kevin Parks
12:47 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Thanks David. Humor to me is a great way to get a point across without to much venom sneaking in.
David Haines
1:17 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
oh yes, gays are driving up the cost of health care. Surely it's not gluttonous eating habits our lack of physical activity. Yes, blame it on the gays, Kevin O.
So your argument against same sex marriage include a bible verse that doesn't mention homosexuality,old testament rules that are cherry picked, and increased health care costs due to homosexual behavior, and straights having sex out of wedlock?
Oh yea, and because the human beings that run the Catholic church say so.
Yea, sounds legit to me.
David F
2:40 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
As Saturday Night Live continues to point out many of the politicans pushing for these marriage amendments have been married numerous times. It is often said that a socitey can be judged by how it treats it children. We are worried about who marries who yet 20% of the children in the US live in poverty. The US Congress just passed legislation to remove much of the childrens federally funded healthcare. Why don't we prioritize what is important to our society instead of wasting time on devisive social issues.
Kevin O'Donovan
4:14 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
David, I can't create facts. Protestants rejected inconvenient Christian beliefs several hundred years ago, and the list is expanding. Luther even rewrote and edited Biblical passages. If you think that homosexual behavior is commendable and are unwilling to let any facts get in the way of your opinion, there is no sense in having this discussion.
David Haines
4:34 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Fact: Jesus never spoke (as far as we know from the bible) about homosexuality or even more specifically, same-sex marriage.
Fact: Christian (noun) = one who follows the teachings or manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ
I'm not sure we need to make it any more complicated.
I welcome and will thoughtfully consider any other arguments, religious or otherwise, that you have for denying committed same-sex couples the right to marry if you choose to continue the discussion. If you choose not to continue discussing the issue, I respect that too.
DLK
6:47 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
Are these same people who are voting yes on this ammendment upset when a person of, oh, say the Jahovah's Witness faith knock on their door to discuss their religious beliefs? My guess is yes. They do not like someone else telling them that their thoughts and beliefs are wrong and that they need to think as someone else does. They have the freedom in this country to live their lives according to their own beliefs and morals. And yet they want to deny others to have the same freedom to live their lives according to their own beliefs. It is not my right to tell someone else that they cannot have marital happiness with the person that they love and I would be upset if someone did that to me. Why are we so concerned about who loves who? They are not asking you to participate. Marry whomever you choose. Live your own life well and be good to others and love your fellow man and do your best to help others achieve their happiness. Worry about the murderers and child molestors and wife beaters not about love.
Brian
11:11 pm on Sunday, May 13, 2012
You need to fully understand Christianity before you try to quote the Word of God. It's insulting to me to see someone try to speak with authority on MY beliefs. Especially when they are so far off the mark. Jesus is NOT just the red lettering. He is from Genesis to Revelation. Please do not insult me with your trying to justify what is clearly sin in Jesus eyes.
Kevin O'Donovan
4:21 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
Melanchthon was a partner with Martin Luther during the beginnings of the schism. His mother asked from her deathbed whether she should die as a Lutheran or a Catholic. Melanchthon replied "It is better to live as a Lutheran, but it is better to die as a Catholic." Most of us know in our hearts what is right. We know that homosexuals are people, who by that dignity deserve respect and compassion. We also can agree that "Love" and "Lust" are not one and the same. If "Equality" means everyone goes to Hell; who supports "Equality"? If "Equality" means we are all impoverished; who supports "Equality"? If you are a parent; who among you wants your child to be homosexual? If you are homosexual; who among you wants to not be suffering from same-sex attraction? Let's agree to do what is best for the next generation. Let's support and uphold Traditional Marriage and Families. Let's encourage personal responsibility and good character. Think about what is best for the youngest among us. Let's not be selfish narcissists.
Easy Vulcan
8:52 am on Monday, May 14, 2012
I just don't understand why this article is such a big deal. The Catholic Church is simply defining it's position. Did someone not know this before? Kind of like Pres Obama just announcing he supports Gay marriage. Duh~! Look, if your Catholic, you need to be Catholic. That means, you follow the Pope. If your not, then what are you? Semi-Catholic? What was that verse from the Bible, "but because you are luke warm, I spat you from my mouth" (you know what I mean).